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Urgency of Change: The Krishnamurti Podcast

What are you doing with your life? Can anyone show you the way, or must you be a light to yourself? Do we see the urgency of change?

One of the greatest spiritual teachers of all time, Krishnamurti challenges us to question all that we know and discover our true nature in the here and now. Krishnamurti deeply inspired many well known figures, such as Bruce Lee, Eckhart Tolle, Jack Nicholson, Van Morrison, Deepak Chopra, George Lucas, Aldous Huxley, and Jack Kornfield.

This official podcast by Krishnamurti Foundation Trust features conversations between Krishnamurti and luminaries from many paths, readings of a classic by actor Terence Stamp and much more.

Get in touch at podcast@kfoundation.org

1 — Interview by Bernard Levin

This interview with Krishnamurti was first broadcast in 1981. Recorded at Brockwood Park in Hampshire, as part of The Levin Interview TV series, it serves as a good introduction to Krishnamurti’s work. Bernard Levin was one of Britain’s best-known journalists. Questions explored include: Why don’t we realise the damage we are doing in the world? Is it wrong to seek happiness? What is action? What is right living? Can society be changed? How is man to be free?

2 — Commentaries on Living read by Terence Stamp (Part 1)

Commentaries on Living is one of Krishnamurti’s most well-known and best loved books. In it, he recalls many of the private conversations with those who came to see him. With encouragement from Aldous Huxley these meetings were written down by Krishnamurti and published in 1956.
Terence Stamp is an Oscar-nominated actor. It was through working with Fellini that he met and became friends with Krishnamurti, who, in Stamp’s words, ‘used his presence to pause my thinking.’ Thanks to the Karina Library in Ojai, California for these recordings.
Chapters included in this episode are Fulfilment, Thought and Love, Simplicity of the Heart, The Self, and Psychological Security.

3 — Commentaries on Living read by Terence Stamp (Part 2)

Commentaries on Living is one of Krishnamurti’s most well-known and best loved books. In it, he recalls many of the private conversations with those who came to see him. With encouragement from Aldous Huxley these meetings were written down by Krishnamurti and published in 1956.
Terence Stamp is an Oscar-nominated actor. It was through working with Fellini that he met and became friends with Krishnamurti, who, in Stamp’s words, ‘used his presence to pause my thinking.’ Thanks to the Karina Library in Ojai, California for these recordings.
Chapters included in this episode are Continuity, Awareness, Loneliness, and Silence.

4 — Krishnamurti & David Bohm: Future of Humanity, 1 of 2

Part 1 of The Future of Humanity asks: what is the future of mankind? The pair discuss how our psychological problems are the result of thought, since thought breeds conflict. We think that thought can solve our problems but is this true? They look at how the self is put together by thought and whether our consciousness is individual to each of us, or inseparable, a consciousness of humanity. It is clear that dividing the world into countries and religions creates havoc, but is our very sense of self divisive? Why does division exist at all?

David Bohm has been described as one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century. Bohm’s contact with Krishnamurti began in the early 60s and continued into the 80s. Their dialogues are far-reaching and profound. Over 30 audios or videos are available on our YouTube channel. Recorded in 1983, The Future of Humanity represents Bohm’s and Krishnamurti’s final dialogues together.

5 — Krishnamurti & David Bohm: Future of Humanity, 2 of 2

The second and final part of The Future Of Humanity explores whether there is evolution of consciousness. Can the consciousness of mankind be changed through time? Is psychological conditioning centred in the self? Can our conditioned brain cells change? The pair then inquire into the relationship between the mind and the brain, suggesting that as long as the brain is conditioned, its relationship to the mind is limited. The then look at perception and intelligence.
David Bohm has been described as one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century and was a fellow of the royal society. He worked with Einstein at the Institute for Advanced Study, and on the Manhattan Project with Oppenheimer. Later he pioneered research into quantum physics and models of the brain, being increasingly interested in consciousness, order and thought. His books include Wholeness and the Implicate Order, Science, Order and Creativity, and Causation and Chance in Modern Physics.

6 — Interview with Ross Saunders

This interview was recorded for the Australian television show ‘This Day Tonight’. The programme is half an hour long and was recorded in 1970. Describing the interview in her diary, Mary Zimbalist, Krishnamurti’s assistant, said that Krishnamurti ‘demolished belief and religion then went on with such fresh clarity until the end of the half hour, covering a great deal with simplicity and eloquence.’ Questions explored include: Is it possible for a mind to be free from yesterday and from belief? How can an individual, who is part of the system, get outside the system in order to observe it and himself? Do the younger generation have a thirst for awareness and self-knowledge? You have been critical of religions. Could you tell me your own particular outlook on religion? What do you make of death? More than 40 years after you dissolved the Order of the Star, how would you summarise your aims?

7 — First conversation with Iris Murdoch

Iris Murdoch was a well-known novelist and philosopher. Her books explore themes such as good and evil, morality, and the power of the unconscious. They emphasise the inner lives of individuals, in the tradition of Dostoyevski and Tolstoy, whilst her philosophical works reinterpret Aristotle and Plato. In this first conversation, Krishnamurti and Iris Murdoch inquire into love, discovering that love is not desire or pleasure; love is not the opposite of hate; love has no relationship to jealousy; and that love can never bring conflict.

8 — Second conversation with Iris Murdoch

Iris Murdoch was a Booker prize winning novelist and philosopher. Her many books include The Bell, The Black Prince, and The Sea, The Sea. 
In this second conversation, Krishnamurti and Iris Murdoch look at why we are fragmented, how our way of thinking and acting is comparatively like the rest of mankind, and that we are the rest of humanity mankind because we all suffer. Krishnamurti states that when there is love, there is truth and beauty.

9 — Conversation with David Shainberg

Shainberg trained at the American Institute for Psychoanalysis and worked in New York. He was a leading force behind the integration of eastern and western philosophies in the understanding of consciousness and experience. Shainberg was the first to bring psychoanalysts and eastern spiritual leaders together. He retired from practice in 1981 in order to devote more time to painting. Recorded in New York in 1983.

10 — Conversation with Huston Smith

Huston Smith is widely regarded as one of the world’s most influential figures in religious studies. He was professor of philosophy at MIT and later professor of religious studies at Berkeley, where he met with Krishnamurti in 1968. Smith’s works include: The Worlds Religions, which has sold more than three million copies, Tales of Wonder, and the PBS television series The Wisdom of Faith.

11 — First conversation with Mary Zimbalist

Mary Zimbalist was Krishnamurti’s assistant from the 1960s until his death in 1986. Her unfinished memoirs chronicling her time with Krishnamurti are online free of charge, and in the book In the Presence of Krishnamurti, available in our store.

12 — Second conversation with Mary Zimbalist

In her early working life, Mary Zimbalist was a model and actress. She first heard Krishnamurti speak in the 1940s and in the 1960s began helping Krishnamurti, becoming his assistant and friend.
This second conversation with Krishnamurti concerns the topic of fear. They ask whether, in the very act of looking at fear, we can discover its origin. Can we look at fear as we would an extraordinary jewel? Can we not look at a particular branch of fear but at the whole nature, structure and quality of fear?

13 — Interview by Oliver Hunkin

Oliver Hunkin was head of religious programmes at the BBC, where he revolutionised the format. He was also an author and cartoonist. This interview with Krishnamurti was recorded at Brockwood Park in 1970. In the conversation, Krishnamurti states that authority has crippled the mind, religiously and inwardly. The authority of belief, imposed by religions, destroys the discovery of reality. One relies on authority because one is afraid to stand alone. To understand fear one must also understand pleasure, as they are two sides of the same coin. Are we seeing each other with an image? There is love only when I have understood myself and so in myself there is no fragmentation, anger, ambition or greed. Effort is a contradiction of energies. A meditative mind is a very silent mind.

14 — Conversation with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche

Chogyam Trungpa Rimpoche was a Buddhist meditation master and a major figure in the dissemination of Buddhism to the West.
This conversation with Krishnamurti was recorded in San Diego, California in 1972. In it, the pair ask: what is the quality of the mind that is no longer held in the matrix of experience? What is meditation and why should one meditate? They inquire into seeing without the ‘me’, and the possibility of a total observation without time and memory.

15 — Conversation with David Bohm, 1972

This relatively early conversation between David Bohm and Krishnamurti centres around the relationship between thought and intelligence. Thought is mechanical, measurable, a movement in time. Is intelligence mechanical and of time? Does intelligence use thought? Thought is a pointer; without intelligence the pointer has no value. Politically, religiously and psychologically thought has created a world of tremendous contradiction and fragmentation. Can life be guided by intelligence and lived in harmony? The desire for intelligence has created the image of God. Thought must be completely still for the awakening of intelligence. You come upon it when you see the whole. The quality of a mind that sees the whole is not touched by thought. Therefore there is perception and insight. 

16 — Conversation with David  O’Hanlon

Daniel O’Hanlon was a Jesuit priest and respected theologian. He taught at Marymount University in Los Angeles and for more than 30 years at the Jesuit School of Theology in Berkeley. He had many contacts in other religions, particularly of Asia, and included aspects of these religions in his teaching. Interested in integration of religions, in 1984 he published Integration of Christian Practices: A Western Christian Looks East.
This conversation with Krishnamurti, recorded in Malibu, California in 1972, asks whether organised religion brings about real depth of understanding. Does the past have any value in coming upon something new? Can the mind empty itself of the pettiness of what man has put together? Thought can be used legitimately and illegitimately. Krishnamurti urges us to find out if there is something beyond tradition and myth. 

17 — First conversation with Alain Naudé

Alain Naude was Krishnamurti’s private secretary in the 1960s. He met Krishnamurti in 1963 whilst a music lecturer at Pretoria University and a professional concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was very helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences to Krishnamurti’s talks at a time of cultural change in the West. This conversation with Krishnamurti was recorded in Malibu, California in 1972 and begins by asking: Why do we divide the world as the human being and the divine? When I realise that my consciousness is the consciousness of the world, and the consciousness of the world is me, whatever change takes place in me affects the whole of consciousness. Can human consciousness undergo a radical change? To find out if there is something beyond this consciousness I must understand the content of consciousness. The mind must go beyond itself. Do we realise that the observer is the content itself? If there is no thought, there is no thinker. If the observer is the observed, what is the nature of change in consciousness? Will is not the factor of change. Radical revolution in consciousness takes place when there is no conflict at all.

18 — Second conversation with Alain Naudé

This second conversation between Naude and Krishnamurti opens with the question: Do good and evil really exist or are they simply conditioned points of view? The inquiry looks at goodness as total order, not only outwardly but inwardly especially. Is virtue the outcome of planning? You cannot will to do good. Either you are good or not good. Will is the concentration of thought as resistance. Are poisonous snakes, sharks and the cruel things in nature evil? The moment we assert that there is absolute evil, that assertion is the denial of the good. Goodness implies total abnegation of the self, because ‘the me’ is always separative. Order means behaviour in freedom. Freedom means love. When one sees all this very clearly there is a marvellous sense of absolute order.

19 — First conversation with Jacob Needleman

Jacob Needleman is Professor of Philosophy at San Francisco State University and former Director of the Center for the Study of New Religions at Berkeley. He is the author of many books, including The Wisdom of Love, Time and the Soul, Why Can’t We Be Good?, and Necessary Wisdom. He popularised the term ‘new religious movements’ and was honoured by the New York Open Center in 2006.
This first conversation with Krishnamurti was recorded in Malibu, California in 1971. It forms the opening chapter of the classic book, The Awakening of Intelligence. Subjects discussed include: the spiritual revolution among young people, hope of a new flowering for civilisation, and whether one can go into oneself at tremendous depths and find out everything, without asking for help. If there were no books or gurus, what we do? Is effort needed to reach God, enlightenment or truth? Why do we divide energy? The observer comes into being in wanting to change ‘what is’. The state of not-knowing is intelligence.

20 — Second conversation with Jacob Needleman

This second conversation between Jacob Needleman and Krishnamurti was recorded in Malibu, California in 1971, and is titled ‘inner space’. Questions that come up in the conversation include: Is it possible to be free of the centre, so that the centre doesn’t create space around itself and build a wall? Can the centre be still? Can consciousness empty itself of its content? Is love within the field of consciousness? Are there environments which are conducive to liberation?

21 — First conversation with Keith Berwick

Keith Berwick is a four-time Emmy Award winning television broadcaster, and senior fellow of the Aspen Institute. His career also includes historian, educator, newspaper publisher and editor. He lives in Santa Barbara, California.
This first interview was recorded in Los Angeles in 1981. Berwick begins by asking: Why, in 1929, Krishnamurti gave up being the head of The Order of the Star. Other themes include: What is the major theme of the teachings? The fundamental issue is whether the human condition, with all its misery, anxiety and sorrow can be changed. We don’t realise that our consciousness is the common ground on which we all stand; we think we are separate. There is nothing sacred in what thought has created. How does one achieve right action, right relationship? If you have no image you can never be hurt. Freedom is to be free from the image-building machinery, which is thought.

22 — Second conversation with Keith Berwick

Keith Berwick is a four-time Emmy Award winning television broadcaster, and senior fellow of the Aspen Institute. His career also includes historian, educator, newspaper publisher and editor. He lives in Santa Barbara, California.
This second interview was recorded in Los Angeles in 1983, two years after the first. Themes include: What is a human being? What is an individual? Clarity can only come into being when there is no confusion. One must have physical security, but it is being denied because we think in terms of tribalism. Disorder creates authority. Ambition, jealousy, desire and pleasure are not love. What is intelligence? What is thinking? Conscious meditation is determination, not meditation. To meditate you must understand relationship. What is the root of desire? Is there another instrument than thought? If thought has its right place, then you can look.

23 — First conversation with Pupul Jayakar

Pupul Jayakar, who died in 1997, was an Indian cultural activist and writer, best known for her work on the revival of traditional and village arts, handlooms, and handicrafts. She was a close friend of prime minister Indira Gandhi, and was her cultural advisor and biographer. Having been to a school established by Annie Basant, Pupul became involved with Krishnamurti’s work in the 1940s, becoming a trustee of the Indian foundation.
This first conversation was recorded in 1978, at Brockwood Park. Pupul asks: Has there been a radical change in your teaching, a movement away from observation, from the division between the thinker and the thought? They ask whether it’s possible to see the total content of consciousness and move out of it? Complete, total insight is only possible instantly, and that instant is not contained in time. The thinker and thought are not separate. Thinking is based on growth, becoming, evolving. Will the mind, being so heavily conditioned by the tradition of growth, listen?

24 — Second conversation with Pupul Jayakar

Pupul Jayakar was a trustee of Krishnamurti Foundation India, and for decades was a friend of Krishnamurti’s. She helped publish many of his books in India, along with writing a biography which was published soon after his death. Her other books include The Earth Mother, The Buddha and God is Not a Full-Stop.This second conversation was recorded in the summer of 1978, at Brockwood. Krishnamurti asks: What does the word ‘conscious’ mean to you?, saying that thought can never be aware of the total content of consciousness. Can the mind perceive the totality? Is there a love or a quality which is not part of consciousness? Is it possible to observe with all one’s senses? Is there a totally different dimension to consciousness, not invented by thought? Can this be discovered? What quality is necessary to move out of the circle of consciousness? How can we know order when we live in total disorder? When thought is completely, absolutely still, there is an action.

25 — Conversation with Ronald Eyre

Ronald Eyre was a leading director for cinema, opera, television and the theatre. He was nominated for a Tony Award in 1975 as Best Director. He was also a television presenter and writer. His most well-known series was The Long Search, a survey of world religions.

Recorded at Brockwood in 1984, this conversation with Krishnamurti explores playfulness and distraction, the cycle of fear, and whether we do anything we love. Krishnamurti asks if we are afraid of life. What are love and death? Why is there such a tremendous craving inwardly? What is the root of fear? Why does thought enter into the realm of the psyche? What is creation that is not born out of knowledge?

26 — Interview by Eric Robson

Eric Robson is a broadcaster, author and documentary film maker, based in the UK where he also farms. For 25 years he chaired Gardner’s Question Time. This 1984 conversation was part of a television series he hosted, called Revelations. Questions Robson asks Krishnamurti include: Did you ever believe, as the people who were sponsoring you believed, that you were some sort of messiah? Can you explain why you are so positively against organised religion? Is your system rooted in any religion? How do you strip away conditioning? Is there only one truth or are there many truths? When you approach the pathless land of truth, do you have to do anything with that truth? Is it possible for everyone to achieve truth? You said that the world can only change through personal transformation, and yet the world is sliding to the edge of a black abyss. Won’t personal transformation simply come too late?

27 — Third conversation with Alain Naude

Alain Naude was Krishnamurti’s private secretary in the 1960s. He met Krishnamurti in 1963 whilst a music lecturer at Pretoria University and a professional concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was very helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences to Krishnamurti’s talks at a time of cultural change in the West.
This conversation with Krishnamurti was recorded in Malibu, California in 1972 and begins by asking whether there is a permanent ‘me’? Unless I am free from the vulgar, I will continue representing the whole vulgarity of humanity. I lead the usual life, along the small river, following that current. I am that current and ‘the me’ is bound to continue in that stream, with millions of others. I am not different from those millions of others. When you say, ‘My brother is dead,’ and ask whether he is still living, as a separate consciousness, I question whether he was ever separate from the stream. If there was a permanent self, it would be of this stream. Realising that I am like the rest of the world, that there is no ‘me’ separate, I can incarnate only if I step out of the stream. Change takes place away from the stream; in the stream there is no change. What happens if you step out of the stream? The stepping out is the incarnation. When one steps out of the stream, one has compassion.

28 — Fourth conversation with Alain Naude

This conversation with Alain Naudé is titled ‘masters and hierarchy’. Alain Naude was Krishnamurti’s private secretary in the 1960s. He met Krishnamurti in 1963 whilst a music lecturer at Pretoria University and a professional concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was very helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences to Krishnamurti’s talks at a time of cultural change in the West.
This fourth conversation between Naude and Krishnamurti was recorded in January 1972. Naude begins by asking about masters. ‘One finds in various teachings the idea of masters, conscious entities who work for the good of mankind. Is there a reservoir of wisdom? Do such entities exist, or does man want to have myths?’ Krishnamurti responds that there is a reservoir of goodness and a reservoir of violence and asks whether there something which is not these two, that is beyond these two? Is your mind capable of not being held in the reservoirs of goodness or violence?
When you understand these two opposites and go beyond them, meditation is not in terms of vision or action, but the state of silence which is then operating, an energy which then flows. That energy has no character. When one asks, ‘Is there a hierarchy, a master, a group of evolved entities?’ you are asking from a point of view, or from desire, from hope. What is the relationship between the current of vulgarity and that which is beyond and above the opposites?

29 — Conversation with Frank Waters

Frank Waters was a well-known American author based in New Mexico. His books include novels, biographies, histories, and essay collections. Known as the Grandfather of Southwestern Literature, he was nominated for the Nobel Prize several times.
His interview with Krishnamurti took place in Malibu, California in 1972. Subjects include: what brings about receptivity? Speaking to the unconscious; the little self and the big self; how Krishnamurti’s teachings work; myth; the destruction of the planet; sleep; and kundalini.

30 — Conversation with David Bohm

David Bohm’s contact with Krishnamurti began in the early 60s and continued into the 80s. Their dialogues are far-reaching and profound. Over 30 audios and videos are available on our YouTube channel, and are published in the books Truth and Actuality, The Transformation of Man, and The Ending of Time.
Recorded in 1981 in Ojai, California, this conversation explores the sacred, with Krishnamurti saying that there is a sacred origin which gives one tremendous passion and energy. He asks: is anyone willing to totally abandon everything that thought has created, including the ‘me’? Is it possible to live a daily life in the modern world without any identification? How am I to educate myself to have no shocks of any kind? Only a brain free from shocks can find the origin. The brain must be always in a state of movement without identification, like a river. Then it cannot be shocked.

31 — Conversation with Donald Ingram Smith

This conversation between Krishnamurti and Donald Ingram Smith, entitled ‘Awareness is a mirror in which the movement of thought is perceived’, was recorded in Ojai, California in 1977. Krishnamurti asks whether all of consciousness is made up of its content. Can thought be aware of itself? Is whatever thought has created reality? Intelligence is not a product of thought. Thought has limited itself, made itself a fragment. Attention is the summation of all energy.
Donald Ingram Smith was a well-known Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) broadcaster from Sydney. For many years he was involved with the recording of Krishnamurti’s talks in Australia and India. He also hosted a radio programme on Krishnamurti. Ingram Smith first met Krishnamurti in 1949 and his memoirs of the times he spent with Krishnamurti through to his death are published in the book Creative Happiness: A Journey with J. Krishnamurti..

32 — Conversation with Wilfred Thomas

This interview by Wilfred Thomas with Krishnamurti took place at the recently-purchased Brockwood Park in Hampshire. It was recorded for Australian radio. Questions asked include: How old were you when you first heard the theosophists’ plans for you? When did you first have doubts about the pattern they had laid down for you? How are you reaching younger people? Do you think it is possible that humanity, instead of breaking up into national groups and races, will merge into one? What is your definition of love? What do you think happens when the body dies, reincarnation? You now have three institutions. Are they maintained by subscriptions? Wilfred Thomas lived in Australia and then London. He began his career as a singer and later moved on to presenting and acting for television and radio.

33 — Third Conversation with Pupul Jayakar

This conversation, entitled ‘On God’ was recorded at Brockwood Park in 1981. Pupul Jayakar, who died in 1997, was an Indian cultural activist and writer, best known for her work on the revival of traditional and village arts, handlooms, and handicrafts. She was a close friend of prime minister Indira Gandhi, and was her cultural advisor and biographer. Having been to a school established by Annie Besant, Pupul became involved with Krishnamurti’s work in the 1940s, becoming a trustee of the Indian foundation.

34 — Fourth Conversation with Pupul Jayakar

This conversation from 1981 between Krishnamurti and Pupul Jayakar looks at ending and death. What is ending? The mind cannot enter into a totally new dimension if there is a shadow of memory. If the movement of thought ends, consciousness as we know it is not. Thought is the enemy of compassion. What significance has death? Have we seen the meaning of death, the extraordinary beauty of ending something?

35 — Conversation with Asit Chandmal

This conversation took place at Brockwood Park in 1982. Krishnamurti asks: Do you accept that intelligence is not the product of thought? What do you have you left when you don’t use the brain to inquire? What is not contaminated by thought? Can your brain observe something whole without any kind of fragmentation?

Krishnamurti and Asit Chandmal were friends for many years, and Krishnamurti would often stay with him when in Bombay. Chandmal studied engineering in London, where he later taught mathematical economics, before becoming finance director at Tata Motors. His interest in computing led to Chandmal’s involvement with many Silicon Valley start-ups. A trustee of the Krishnamurti Foundation India, he was also a keen photographer and in 1985 published the One Thousand Moons, a book of photographs illustrating a year in Krishnamurti’s life.

36 — Conversation with Christopher Titmuss

This conversation between Krishnamurti and Titmus was recorded at Brockwood Park in 1984. Krishnamurti asks: What do we mean by the word ‘meditation’? Why should we meditate? Do we need to be taught how to meditate? Have we extended ambition from this world to the spiritual world? Who is the controller that controls thought?

Christopher Titmuss, a former Buddhist monk, is a teacher and writer in the Buddhist tradition. He teaches and hold retreats in many countries around the world and many of his talks are available online. His books include The Buddha of Love, Light on Enlightenment, An Awakened Life and Poems from the Edge of Time.

37 — Commentaries on Living read by Terence Stamp (Part 3)

Commentaries on Living is one of Krishnamurti’s most well-known and best loved books. In it, he recalls many of the private conversations with those who came to see him. With encouragement from Aldous Huxley these meetings were written down by Krishnamurti and published in 1956. Chapters included in this episode are titled Three Pious Egoists, Identification, Gossip & Worry, Thought & Love, Aloneness & Isolation, and Pupil & Master.
Terence Stamp is an Oscar-nominated actor, known for his roles in The Limey, Superman, The Collector, Wall Street and many others. It was through working with Fellini that he met and became friends with Krishnamurti, who, in Stamp’s words, ‘used his presence to pause my thinking.’

38 — Commentaries on Living read by Terence Stamp (Part 4)

Commentaries on Living is one of Krishnamurti’s most well-known and best loved books. In it, he recalls many of the private conversations with those who came to see him. With encouragement from Aldous Huxley these meetings were written down by Krishnamurti and published in 1956. Chapters included in this episode are titled The Rich & The Poor, Ceremonies & Conversion, Knowledge, Respectability, and Politics, none of which have been released previously.
Terence Stamp is an Oscar-nominated actor, known for his roles in The Limey, Superman, The Collector, Wall Street and many others. It was through working with Fellini that he met and became friends with Krishnamurti, who, in Stamp’s words, ‘used his presence to pause my thinking.’

39 — Fifth conversation with Alain Naudé

This conversation between Krishnamurti and Naude was recorded in Malibu in 1972. They ask: Is there in us a place where there is no corruption, where there is real, absolute peace and order? The stream of vulgarity in the world has its source in the self, ‘the me’, the ego. When there is no self, there is a responsibility for humanity. What is the relationship between this stream, the self which is perpetuating the stream, and the unknown? How is one who is in the stream to understand instantly, without going through the evolutionary process? One steps out of the stream if one denies time, in the sense of becoming, being, achieving, comparing. Can the mind, without any motive, negate the self?
Alain Naude was Krishnamurti’s private secretary in the 1960s. He met Krishnamurti in 1963 whilst a music lecturer and concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was very helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences to Krishnamurti’s talks, at a time of cultural change in the West.

40 — Sixth conversation with Alain Naudé

This conversation between Krishnamurti and Naude was recorded in Malibu in 1972. Naude begins by asking: Are the various scriptures of India and the Middle East similar to or in contradiction to your teaching?Krishnamurti later asks: Can thought end right through one’s consciousness? Must thought not end for something new to be observed?How does the mind look at itself? Does it look as an observer different from the observed, or without the observer and therefore there is only the observed?Can consciousness empty itself of its content?What has happened to the mind that has discarded the weight of becoming, of tradition, myth, gurus and authority?A mind that has no space can never find truth. A mind that is not empty can never find truth.Remaining with the fact of hurt.When you are nothing, you love.There is a movement in silence that has no beginning and no end, a movement that is always new.Inquiry is different from effort, from seeking, from achievement.Alain Naude was Krishnamurti’s private secretary in the 1960s. He met Krishnamurti in 1963 whilst a music lecturer and concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was very helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences to Krishnamurti’s talks, at a time of cultural change in the West.

41 — Second conversation with Donald Ingram Smith

This conversation was recorded in Ojai, California in 1980. Subjects explored include: Our conditioning is irrational. Will doubt help me to find out what truth is? Is there a listening without the word, without recognition? Thought can see itself in action. We have got many toys which absorb us. Is it possible to get rid of them? An occupied mind is always limiting itself, narrowing its activity.
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Donald Ingram Smith was a well-known Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) broadcaster from Sydney. For many years he was involved with the recording of Krishnamurti’s talks in Australia and India. He also hosted a radio programme on Krishnamurti. Ingram Smith first met Krishnamurti in 1949 and his memoirs of the times he spent with Krishnamurti through to his death are published in the book Creative Happiness: A Journey with J. Krishnamurti.

42 — Commentaries on Living read by Terence Stamp (Part 5)

Commentaries on Living is one of Krishnamurti’s most well-known and best loved books. In it, he recalls many of the private conversations with those who came to see him. With encouragement from Aldous Huxley these meetings were written down by Krishnamurti and published in 1956. Two further volumes were published in 1958 and 1960.

Chapters included in this episode are titled Experiencing, Virtue, Simplicity of the Heart, Facets of the Individual, Sleep, and Love in Relationship.

Terence Stamp is an Oscar-nominated actor, known for his roles in The Limey, Superman, The Collector, Wall Street and many others. It was through working with Fellini that he met and became friends with Krishnamurti. Stamp includes his experiences with Krishnamurti in his recent memoir The Ocean Fell Into the Drop.

We thank the Karina Library in Ojai, California and Terence Stamp for these recordings, most of which have not been released before.

43 — Fifth Conversation with Pupul Jayakar

This conversation between Krishnamurti and Pupul Jayakar was recorded at Brockwood Park in 1982. The inquiry includes: What is the source of all existence, all life, all action? What is the approach of a mind that wants to inquire into something that it doesn’t know, something that demands an extraordinary quality of deep subtlety, deep capacity of order? Why doesn’t one feel totally responsible for the wars, the brutality, the terrible things that are happening in the world? Human beings have created such disorder in themselves and therefore outwardly. How does one comprehend or be aware of the origin of disorder? What is the state of action that is born out of complete attention? Is it necessary to go through the process of watching one’s reactions and observing diligently one’s relationships? Any person who gives attention, who really says, ‘I must find the source of life,’ who is passionate about it, not just casual, will listen. They will listen: it is in the air. Pupul Jayakar, who died in 1997, was an Indian cultural activist and writer, best known for her work on the revival of traditional and village arts, handlooms and handicrafts. She was a close friend of prime minister Indira Gandhi, and was her cultural advisor and biographer. Having been to a school established by Annie Besant, Pupul became involved with Krishnamurti’s work in the 1940s, becoming a trustee of the Indian foundation.

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